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Chris Corrigan

Lenore:

I wanted to post a response to this, - both your points and Gerry's - but I find that it's taking me too long to read through your absorbing sources...sometimes blogging moves too fast, even for me!

You are posing some rich questions here, and all I can do for now is express my gratitude for the ideas you keep lobbing out there.

Lenore Ealy

Thanks, Chris.. there's plenty of time. I really like what you're doing a your site just now. Taking time to read a book slowly and process it with us! That's really what I would like to do more of here.

phil

Yes, a difference in vision. Hayek versus Rawls. Freedom of markets versus human rights and human dignity as fundamental principles. Freedom of markets, unchecked, produces disparity of wealth, the fencing in of the commons, and an enormous weight of soul-destroying spectacle, propaganda, pornograhy, Godless profiteering, and Branding. To take human dignity, taught by Christ, as primary is to question the freedom-hampering results of unregulated markets. "By their fruits shall ye know them."

These two visions both draw on the same cultural genetic code, but cannot easily be reconciled. "Give all you have to the poor and follow me...." I read you, honestly, as paltering when it comes to economic injustice. Does it exist? And if so do we have a moral imperative, in your religion, to address it? Hayek will not provide that answer. Christ does. You can only evade the question with anachronistic oratory from Chambers. (Communism is yesterday's battle, today's is globalism.)

Going further, with an eye to reconciliation of these harsh dichotomies: Christ also said, "My Kingdom is not of this earth" and, "Render unto Caesar...." He spoke of personal virtue and personal face to face charity. As does Cornuelle, Shambra, Hein, Bush, et. al. He did not call for change in Roman law, or speak against the tax collectors. Rome fell of its own dead weight against that moral example. Perhaps common ground will not be found around public policy but around personal giving. Compassinate Conservatives whose voluntary and joyful tithing exceeds any percentage that could ever be extracted through taxes. (That is a utopia I have a hard time imaging, but then I can be convinced case by case once you line up these compassionate bigshots.)We will publish the percentages they give at Planned Giving Roundtable as proof of their own theories. A purely empirical test that will shut all mouths.

Lenore Ealy

Ah, but Phil, I am truly a strange hybrid character.. a Christian libertarian.. who's working on holding this all together.

"Perhaps common ground will not be found around public policy but around personal giving."

Indeed, I believe so, and for this am willing to work. Empirical competition and all. Even suspect conservatives might be "outspent" by progressives such as yourself.. what a great game it would be!

Gerry

Libertarians do tend towards atheism, but I don't see a contradiction. Of course, "Christian" covers a lot of ground.

In spite of you comment to me about you and Phil competing for my soul, you don't strike me a the kind of Christian who thinks that anyone who doesn't believe as you do is going to hell. Captain Blowtorch is trying to save my soul too, but that is an entirely different thing.

Lenore Ealy

No, Gerry, I don't believe I have the inside scoop on who's headed to heaven and who to hell! Got enough trouble working out my own salvation! But I do pray for my enemies... and got a lot of heat post 9/11 for trying to say so, a bit awkwardly.. I'll send you a little essay offline. It's still rather raw.

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