From Chris Corrigan:
Our traditional sense of markets are changing largely because of the world wide web, but have we got to the place where markets are actually places where people create bonds?
This question called to mind a book of Frederick Turner's: Shakespeare's Twenty-First Century Economics: The Morality of Love and Money.
In fact, this might be a productive one to read together once Chris finishes The Gift.
Turner opens chapter 1 with this sentence:
"I love your majesty/According to my bond," says Cordelia to her father, King Lear, at the beginning of Shakespeare's great play."
The next paragraph begins:
Bonds, at the most fundamental level, form the essential structure of the universe.
And before we're out of chapter one, we have this:
What we need is a human economics, a capitalism with a human face; that is, a kind of market that fully expresses the moral, spiritual, and aesthetic relationships among persons and things. It is clear that we should revise our earlier mechanistic notion of economics. Must we find a new language for it?The answer, surprisingly, is no. As Shakespeare shows, buried within our existing language of finance and business are the living meanings that we seek. Such words as "bond," "trust," "goods," "save," "equity," "value," "mean," "redeem," "redemption," "forgive," "dear," "obligation," "interest," "honor," "company," "balance," "credit," "issue," "worth," "due," "duty," "thrift," "use," "will," "partner," "deed," "fair," "owe," "ought," "treasure," "sacrifice," "risk," "royalty," "fortune," "venture," and "grace" preserve within them the values, patterns of action, qualities, abstract entities, and social emotions that characterize the gift and barter exchange systems upon which they are founded. Indeed, these words, whose meanings are inseparable from their economic content, make up a large fraction of our most fundamental ethical vocabulary?
Might it be that what we've been looking for has been with us all the time?
Have either you or Chris ever read "Future Wealth", by Stan Davis?
While there's lots of biz jargon, and some confabulating ideas here and there, I think he focuses in on "bonds", "trust", "reputation", social interactions, and such as they might be expressed in the context of technology and monetized instruments/mechanisms.
Posted by: Jon Husband | July 28, 2004 at 10:49 PM
Thanks, Jon. I have heard of the book, but not read it. Sounds interesting.
Posted by: Lenore Ealy | July 29, 2004 at 07:57 AM
Shakespeare is writing at the end of fuedalism. Lear is in part about the breaking of the old bonds, of master and servant. "Bonds" of hierarchy. If we turn there for our vocabulary we turn back to aristocracy, to blind feality and kingship. Empire. Of course, we would do well to replace "Success" with Fortune's Wheel in our modern mythology. "I am bound upon a wheel of fire that mine own tears do scald like molten lead." We would do well to consider the role of the political machiavel, who so often figures in Shakespeare as a villain. Lear's Fool is an excellent role model, speaking truth to power in mad jokes, and sad songs. Turner in Motley would be a delight.
Posted by: phil | July 29, 2004 at 11:40 AM
We should just read Shakespere together! I mena think of all we could learn from Love's Labour Lost!
But yeah...let's read something together.
Posted by: Chris Corrigan | July 29, 2004 at 12:19 PM
I have a copy of a book called "Future Wealth", but it is by Francis McInerney and Sean White. No doubt a different book.
As far as the transition from fuedalism to markets, I would turn to Jane Jacobs' "Systems of Survival". In this transition, the market system isn't new, but it is becoming dominant. In Jacobs' book, she contrasts two incompatible value systems, one for Guardians that is based in loyalty and largess and another for Commercial organizations.
I think Empire emerges in a conflating of the two in hierarchical power structures of big business.
Posted by: Gerry | July 29, 2004 at 06:17 PM
Thanks for the additions and deepening, Gerry.
Good points. Jane Jacobs is a thinker I respect a great deal.
Are you aware of her most recent, "Dark Age Ahead" ?
Posted by: Jon Husband | July 29, 2004 at 07:17 PM
Thanks, Gerry--yes, I do think that the hierarchical power structure of big business need to be critiqued. This is the contemporary aristocracy, and it relied on the mentality of the "organization man," rather than the feudal bonds of fealty. A gold watch after 30 years or some such.
Still, the hierarchical power structures of big business are not the same thing as free markets.
Odd that I'm answering a comment over on another post along these sames lines!
Jon, you mentioned Jacobs' new book when we were in Chicago, and it sounds interesting. I haven't yet procured.
Posted by: Lenore Ealy | July 29, 2004 at 07:54 PM
Have heard about it, but don't have it (yet).
I don't have the link handy, but I've been spreading the meme about a paper by an economist, Benkler. He talks about firms and markets as two distinct 'modes of production' and introduces a third mode of production which he calls "commons-based peer-production". The paper has a lot of dry economist stuff, but the key element of the entire analysis is transaction costs, which is the big advantage of the commons. Open Source Software is the most prominent example, but check out http://www.omidyar.net/ under Open Source (I think under technology or something at the top level). There are all sorts of cooperative projects going forward in the same way. Wikipedia for another example.
I'm actually starting to think that some sort of widespread system of gift or community currencies (Harry had a great link in the comments someplace) is the scalable thing that Tom is searching for.
Posted by: Gerry | July 30, 2004 at 04:54 AM
Thanks, Gerry.. We're actually beginning to look into some of the cooperative forms of organization.. Have a scholar in UK who's working on a piece on UK cooperatives for a forthcoming issue of Economic Affairs I'm co-editing with Dick Cornuelle. I'm looking forward to learning more. The Benkler paper sounds interesting. I'm also beginning to look into the state of patent law, which may be increasinly obsolete. Do you know anyone workign on this issue of patents?
Posted by: Lenore Ealy | July 30, 2004 at 07:56 AM
I remembered where to find a link to the Benkler paper:
http://www.benkler.org/CoasesPenguin.html
Posted by: Gerry | July 30, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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